Pattaya Go-go bars, beer bars & restaurants (News closures and Updates)

[Stillearly]

14 minutes ago, john luke said:

https://nypost.com/2021/11/05/plus-size-hooters-in-booty-shorts-spark-debate/
 

 

No 

[fforest]

4 hours ago, Krapow said:

What nonsense!

Who's they, and why do they want tourism dead, then? 

If the Thai Government didn't want tourists to come, they just wouldn't have allowed the gradual opening since 1st Nov, nevermind the sandbox stuff.

As the Thai's say, you think too much!  Well, and believe any old shite you read online on mad conspiracy sites. 

You just can't stand that someone can think outside the box can you?

Millions of Thais in the entertainment industry have been destitute for years now.The Thai Pass is a confusing mess and will not help the situation.....

Ask yourself am I a red pill or blue pill kind of guy...

I think we all know the answer to this one....

 

[Stillearly]

^ pillock 😉 

[john luke]

Passed Action Street, this morning; whilst there was little evidence of action, it did look as if, once restrictions are lifted, most bars in the complex could be re opened without too much effort.

 

[Horizondave]

9 hours ago, john luke said:

https://nypost.com/2021/11/05/plus-size-hooters-in-booty-shorts-spark-debate/
 

 

That is ridiculous, unless the sports TV screens are enlarged to match the girls I wouldn't walk in.

Why do these people think they are sexy to most of us when they are obviously not. They may be in control, they may feel good about themselves but unless they are applying for jobs at Hooters Lagos I doubt they will be in those shorts for too long.

[Krapow]

9 hours ago, fforest said:

You just can't stand that someone can think outside the box can you?

Millions of Thais in the entertainment industry have been destitute for years now.The Thai Pass is a confusing mess and will not help the situation.....

Ask yourself am I a red pill or blue pill kind of guy...

I think we all know the answer to this one.... 

 

Yep, hands up, you got me there, it's a fair cop Gov, honest!

The only reason i said your statement proclaiming 'they' want tourism in Thailand dead, whilst 'they' simultaneously do the biggest opening of the country to tourists since this covid debacle started, is indeed because i can't stand that you 'apparently' can think outside of the box.

Bang to rights!

I see you didn't answer my questions either, quelle surprise!

The Thailand Pass that numerous board members have applied for and got in even the last few days?

Of course it's a confusing mess, the UK's opening up to let tourists go and come back was also a confusing mess. This whole time is a confusing mess, though some are clearly more confused than others!

Now, could you take whatever pill you like and have a wee think to yourself in, out or stand on top of a box, and have a wild guess why Thailand maybe think opening the bars over Xmas and New Year might be counter productive to their long term opening up and staying open to tourists, and as such helping those Thais impacted by Covid restrictions?

There could indeed be ulterior motives as mentioned above, but as i said, tourism in Thailand is much more than the bars, so your 'they want tourism in Thailand dead' is nonsense IMO. 

[Jambo]

13 hours ago, Krapow said:

Tourism in Thailand is much, much more than just bars. 

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ,blah, blah blah.

Not to the overwhelming majority of the readers/members of this forum or any other Thailand forum or social media and longing to get back.

Unrestricted access to bars etc is all but 100% essential for them to return to favorite destinations such as Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok etc.

 

 

[Krapow]

Just now, Jambo said:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ,blah, blah blah.

Not to the overwhelming majority of the readers/members of this forum or any other Thailand forum or social media and longing to get back.

Unrestricted access to bars etc is all but 100% essential for them to return to favorite destinations such as Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok etc.

 

 

Agreed, but what i said it still true!

[Butch]

22 minutes ago, Krapow said:

Agreed, but what i said it still true!

I heartily agree with you, and I might be wrong but isn't the contribution tourism makes to Thailand's GDP is around 20% going by some estimates ?, and that is not factoring in the economies that operate under the radar, such as food vendors, MC Taxis etc.

No way on Earth would any Country unwillingly ditch 20%* of their GDP and not want to get it back. Thailand needs tourism, but it doesn't want to be the global face for being at fault for an increase in covid cases, plus there's always the politics of it all.

I think all the "quality tourists" rhetoric is exactly that, words. No one in their right minds would agree it is a workable principle and that it would fill the current gap. It is just another mooted idea. Also, the "non quality" tourists are Thailands tourism version of "fast moving consumer goods" - the bread and butter tourists who visit twice a year consistently and keep the planes and hotels busy during low season.

As you say, it is much more than just bars, and I still believe that bars and nightlife make up a reasonable portion of that 20%*, but as for Thailand wanting tourism dead? - No, not unless they can fill the gap with something else which allows such a level of creative income.

 

* I might be wrong quoting this figure, most probably am but even a more conservative 10% would still be a sizeable and considerable percentage of GDP.

[john luke]

External Painting.

[Krapow]

2 hours ago, Butch said:

I heartily agree with you, and I might be wrong but isn't the contribution tourism makes to Thailand's GDP is around 20% going by some estimates ?, and that is not factoring in the economies that operate under the radar, such as food vendors, MC Taxis etc.

No way on Earth would any Country unwillingly ditch 20%* of their GDP and not want to get it back. Thailand needs tourism, but it doesn't want to be the global face for being at fault for an increase in covid cases, plus there's always the politics of it all.

I think all the "quality tourists" rhetoric is exactly that, words. No one in their right minds would agree it is a workable principle and that it would fill the current gap. It is just another mooted idea. Also, the "non quality" tourists are Thailands tourism version of "fast moving consumer goods" - the bread and butter tourists who visit twice a year consistently and keep the planes and hotels busy during low season.

As you say, it is much more than just bars, and I still believe that bars and nightlife make up a reasonable portion of that 20%*, but as for Thailand wanting tourism dead? - No, not unless they can fill the gap with something else which allows such a level of creative income.

 

* I might be wrong quoting this figure, most probably am but even a more conservative 10% would still be a sizeable and considerable percentage of GDP.

Absolutely loads of people in Thailand from the very, very top down, make money or benefit from tourism in the country in one way or another.  

Nonsense like 'they want to kill tourism' is just a continuation of the usual conspiracy garbage that 'they' have somehow orchestrated the whole pandemic, depopulation, 5G, vaccines are poison or whatever else is currently fashionable on conspiracy sites.

I get that the vast majority of the forum are pissed off that the bars are staying closed until Jan 15th earliest, but it doesn't make what was said any less conspiracy nonsense.

Anyway, thread's getting sidetracked, saying no more on it, lets just hope the hunger strikers have reevaluated things! 

[nampla69]

How is the old Bobby Sands tribute act doing these days ??? 

Hope it works as there is so much suffering among the poor in LOS.

[Glasseye]

18 hours ago, john luke said:

Passed Action Street, this morning; whilst there was little evidence of action, it did look as if, once restrictions are lifted, most bars in the complex could be re opened without too much effort.

 

 

Great pics on this one John !

[Butch]

2 hours ago, nampla69 said:

How is the old Bobby Sands tribute act doing these days ??? 

Hope it works as there is so much suffering among the poor in LOS.

that's pretty cruel but funny. You do realise you're going to hell for that don't you?.

[Derek Dangleberries]

3 hours ago, nampla69 said:

How is the old Bobby Sands tribute act doing these days ??? 

I don't think it is the same "Nil by mouth" type hunger strike. More of a "no solids" type thing. On one of his vids he started to show what supplements and stuff he was taking but I couldn't watch any more of it and switched it off.

Which is fine by me. I don't want to see the daft bugger suffering. 

[Butch]

1 hour ago, Derek Dangleberries said:

I don't think it is the same "Nil by mouth" type hunger strike. More of a "no solids" type thing. On one of his vids he started to show what supplements and stuff he was taking but I couldn't watch any more of it and switched it off.

Which is fine by me. I don't want to see the daft bugger suffering. 

Then it's not a hunger strike. It's a self imposed set of eating regulations.

That is the point, as we were told , the body works in "3's" 3 minutes without air, 3 hours without adequate shelter/ clothing, 3 days without water, and  3 weeks without food.

The rules were not hard and fast, more of a guideline for not ending up in the shit, so gave a sense of priorities if nothing else.

While fasting is one thing, hunger strike is something else entirely, by the end of week 1 the body is feeding upon itself and a few days beyond that, starting to deprive the major organs of functionality at the expense of long term damage. Thus, kidney failure and lifetime reduction in liver and kidney function along with reduced pancreatic efficacy is the price that will be paid.

People go on about 30 day fasts, yes but those fasts are supplemented. That's not hunger strike and there is a distinct difference.

One could argue that there are others on enforced hunger strike without actually having the choice to do so for reasons beyond their control., yet nobody cares.

Ergo, it is entering a world of hurt and there is a point of no return.

That is the nil by mouth option. Anything else is not a hunger strike by any definition.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Butch

[Butch]

I meant to add some to my above post last night, but the Rioja made spelling and being coherant almost impossible.

Mods, I will be careful with my wording re the Govt, feel free to edit or delete.

For what it is worth, I have a grudging admiration for what Bryan is trying to achieve through this. I'm not the bloke's biggest fan, but credit where it is due. I know he is doing it for personal improvement as well, which is not  bad thing, but also aiming to get someone , somewhere in Govt to take notice.

However, given the situation we have seen unfold during the pandemic in specifically Pattaya, with families living rough and swathes of bars being demolished and closed, and while all this was going on, it might be somewhat unlikely to think that anyone within those echelons of society who make the decisions even is aware, and if they were, would arguably not be too concerned.

The January decision, I cannot for the life of me see any logic or sense in, but it is a directive and those are the rules.

For one minute I cannot begin to understand the level of frustration bar and business owners must be feeling as the goalposts are consistently moved, especially when other areas are allowed to open. I imagine this has prompted the actions we are seeing, but while the motives are highly commendable, I feel the message to Govt will either be ignored, swept under the carpet, or lost in translation.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Butch

[Yesitisdakid]

20 hours ago, Butch said:

You do realise you're going to hell

He knew this long ago 

[Evil Penevil]

On 11/12/2021 at 5:55 PM, Derek Dangleberries said:

That Hooters branch should be renamed "Bloaters" !

The plus-sized women in the pic don't actually work for Hooters.  The group dressed in custom-made fake Hooters' costumes for Halloween and posed in front of a Hooters branch as a prank.  Those costumes on those women were indeed scary and enough to give anyone nightmares.

This is what real Hooters' girls look like, at least in some branches.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Evil Penevil

[Evil Penevil]

On 11/13/2021 at 5:37 AM, Butch said:

... I might be wrong but isn't the contribution tourism makes to Thailand's GDP is around 20% going by some estimates ?, and that is not factoring in the economies that operate under the radar, such as food vendors, MC Taxis etc.

No way on Earth would any Country unwillingly ditch 20%* of their GDP and not want to get it back. Thailand needs tourism, 

...

* I might be wrong quoting this figure, most probably am but even a more conservative 10% would still be a sizeable and considerable percentage of GDP.

You are not wrong, Butch.  The customary estimate is that tourism directly contributes 9% to 12% to Thailand's GDP, with the figure rising to 20% when indirect contributions are calculated.  Tourism is important to Thailand not just because of the revenue it generates, but because it creates several million jobs for the country's least skilled workers. 

In 2019, Thailand had 39.8 million foreign tourists.  All those tourists had to be housed, fed, transported and entertained,  Thais without much education or occupational training could get jobs as hotel maids, janitors, bellboys, maintenance and kitchen staff, drivers, restaurant wait staff, etc. In addition, ten of thousands of Thais support themselves as street vendors. Tourism is one of the main reasons unemployment is so low in Thailand.  The service sector in general and tourism in particular soak up many Thais would would otherwise have a hard time finding a job.

Indirectly, many, many businesses in Thailand benefit from tourism.  Construction firms, food wholesalers and retailers, auto repair shops,  department stores and numerous others supply or service the hotels, restaurants, bars and transport companies that have direct contact with tourists. 

The indirect effect even filters down to the micro level.  To give an example, some of you may recall the beauty shop between the Pattaya Beer Garden and the beer bar complex that fronted on Beach Road.  All of that shop's customers were bar girls or freelancers.  I doubt a foreign tourist ever set foot there.  But without the girls who are dependent on tourists, the shop would have no business at all.  That's the indirect effect in a nutshell.

The Thai government has definitely NOT given up on tourism.  In fact, it's looking to tourism to spearhead the country's economic revival.  Take a look at this recent article in the Bangkok Post:  Economy shrinks less than expected, 2021 outlook raised as tourism revival eyed.  Some excerpts (my highlights):

"Thailand's economy contracted less than expected in the third quarter as businesses started a slow recovery from the coronavirus-driven slump in activity, while the reopening of the tourism sector raised hopes of a steady revival.

"The government upgraded its economic growth outlook to 1.2% this year, compared with a previous forecast of 0.7%-1.2% expansion, and projected 3.5%-4.5% growth in 2022, thanks to an easing of Covid-19 curbs and a reopening to overseas travellers to reboot its vital tourism industry."

...

"The agency (National Economic and Social Development Council) predicted 200,000 foreign tourists this year, compared with 150,000 seen previously, and forecast 5 million visitors next year. There were 40 million foreign tourists in 2019."

"'Beyond the fourth quarter, the prospects for the recovery hinge on how quickly the tourism sector recovers,' Capital Economics' Leather said." (EP note: Gareth Leather is senior Asia economist at Capital Economics).

Prior to Covid19, the government expected tourism to play an increasingly important role in Thailand's economy:

"Thosaporn Sirisamphand, secretary-general of the NESDC, said the government plans for the tourism sector to contribute 30% of the country's GDP by 2030, up from about 20% this year (EP note: 2019).

"'Tourism in the very near future will become an even larger component of the economy,' he said. "  (Link)

If anything, tourism has become more important to the Thai economy than it was before.

Evil

 

[Krapow]

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

"'Tourism in the very near future will become an even larger component of the economy,' he said. "  (Link)

If anything, tourism has become more important to the Thai economy than it was before.

Evil

 

As all sane people know!

[Yesitisdakid]

Going in at the old excite location a lot of parking hope they do well there

[Stillearly]

Good to see Time Bar is still going , had a few great evenings / early mornings in there .... 🍻

 

[Bazle]

19 hours ago, Yesitisdakid said:

Going in at the old excite location a lot of parking hope they do well there

Disagree with you! I hope it's a failure. It's just more junk food to fatten up the fillies. 

[fforest]

20 hours ago, Yesitisdakid said:

Going in at the old excite location a lot of parking hope they do well there

MSG......#1  of all fast food in the world.....MSG