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1 hour ago, donnymost said:

Monsieur, est ce que vous pouvez discuter les options pour les visas long terme pour un homme de l'age de 45 ans svp? Desole, mon Francais ecrite est tellement mauvaise.....Merci. 

Bonjour, 

Donny, retirement visa is only about 55.

Younger for long stay you may look up "social visa" but you will need a local sponsor and not so easy.

Have a look at the Indo consulates websites.  Some people do the VOA, extend it 30 days and then hop to SGP to start it over all again.

I can PM you the email of an agency that I use if you want.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, roomark said:

Nice mate...

Don't know why I never read before.

Some brilliant pics too looks like you have a very nice life.

Looking forward to the rest

 

Complete change of life compared to working in HKG.

But hey, thats the whole idea of retiring !

 

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ok, next instalment.

October 31 :

Yesterday (Monday) went to immigration in Denpasar for my tourist visa extension. Well run operation, 2 very cute female immigration officers at the counter.

Filled in a few more papers (even the file cover, which I guess she should fill...), gave my passport, plane ticket, prove of housing etc.. then was asked to sit down and wait.

About 20 white (and less white) faces siting there waiting, after 15 minutes nobody been called or moved, and me starts to think "Hell, I am here for the day ! "

Surprise, my name got called, "lucky day JM, you're first", well persuaded that I will be leaving the premises in a few minutes with my extension in the pocket...

Girl with a big smile hand me a paper and tells me "Mr JM, you go outside at the mobile banking van, pay the fee, and then you come back on Nov 7th, OK ?"   Ough, didn't expect that one.

After a bit of thinking, explanation is (very likely) that the 3 coming days are public holidays, Friday is only 1/2 day for them, so no way to have it in 24 or 48h.

A bit a disappointment for the Miss as she expected to return home for the festivities with her family... Told her she could go, I would stay here alone, no problem.

She raised the question with the elder brothers, their decision was swift "You stay with JM, he is your husband, you need to take care".  So much for the few days "solo" that I saw in my dreams..

So today we are moving in the rental house, did a run on Makro yesterday to buy the usual household stuff as broom, buckets, mop, etc....

OK some random pics :

Nice Balinese wood building styles everywhere.   Both pictures taken in restaurants in Sanur.

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A few for the Cat lovers

This lovely family has settled down on our terrass at the hotel, papa, mama and the 2 youngsters

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A bit food :

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And the pancake lady at breakfast today went creative !

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Update November 2nd, a little walk near the house :

 

OK, today we went for a little walk to the closest beach located near our place, called Mertasari Beach, a 10 min walk.

Otherwhile we are about 10 / 12 minutes by taxi from the center. And the area is a nice and quiete.

As this is a long holiday, a bit more locals on the beach.  Pics were taken between 09:00 am and 11:am, so not to busy.

Place called Fantasy or Dreamland, can't remember

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There is a nice footpath all along the beach, and it makes it a nice and relaxed stroll. No motorcycles use it, only bicycles. 

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A few nice boats moored there, I think mainly for daily charters.  To be investigated.

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And yes, there is a portion were they used the giant sandbags "technology"...but nobody swims there or thinks it is a "beach"

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First part of the beach is definitively "local", plenty small eateries around, but the Miss got a few looks in her shorts...

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In that area, quiete a bit of garbage floating around. 

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Walk 400 / 500 m more and you arrive in "Bule" country (=farang).  Plenty hotels, eateries, jetski and diving schools.

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You will bote a nice, relaxed walk way all along the bay.  So Pattaya city hall, don't tell us it can't be done !

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The activities are not specially cheap ! ! 

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OK, a few pics of "in town", many streets lined with trees, and quite a bit of greenery around.

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And for those who speak Dutch, yes you left a few markings here ...  any government office or lawyer office is called "KANTOR xxxx"   Obviously from the Dutch "kantoor" !  Post office : "Kantor Post"

A fridge is often referred to as "koelkass"

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15 hours ago, Thai Spice said:

Update November 2nd, a little walk near the house :

 

OK, today we went for a little walk to the closest beach located near our place, called Mertasari Beach, a 10 min walk.

Otherwhile we are about 10 / 12 minutes by taxi from the center. And the area is a nice and quiete.

As this is a long holiday, a bit more locals on the beach.  Pics were taken between 09:00 am and 11:am, so not to busy.

Place called Fantasy or Dreamland, can't remember

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There is a nice footpath all along the beach, and it makes it a nice and relaxed stroll. No motorcycles use it, only bicycles. 

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A few nice boats moored there, I think mainly for daily charters.  To be investigated.

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And yes, there is a portion were they used the giant sandbags "technology"...but nobody swims there or thinks it is a "beach"

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First part of the beach is definitively "local", plenty small eateries around, but the Miss got a few looks in her shorts...

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In that area, quiete a bit of garbage floating around. 

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Walk 400 / 500 m more and you arrive in "Bule" country (=farang).  Plenty hotels, eateries, jetski and diving schools.

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You will bote a nice, relaxed walk way all along the bay.  So Pattaya city hall, don't tell us it can't be done !

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The activities are not specially cheap ! ! 

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OK, a few pics of "in town", many streets lined with trees, and quite a bit of greenery around.

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And for those who speak Dutch, yes you left a few markings here ...  any government office or lawyer office is called "KANTOR xxxx"   Obviously from the Dutch "kantoor" !  Post office : "Kantor Post"

A fridge is often referred to as "koelkass"

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I learned the tiniest bit of Bahasa but remember that there are a few words in the Malay version that are English and Dutch in the Indonesian one. I'm pretty sure that ashtray is asbakje in Indo. 

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Update Nov 2017

 

OK, still in Bali but meanwhile at the jungle house an agricultural revolution is taking place.....

You may remember me mentioning the Miss and her brothers have a orange plantation behind the house. The Missus part was rented out, as she was in HKG, and not able to take care of it. Now the rental is over and the exploitation of the land is back to her.  

OK guys, note that I have absolutely zilch knowledge about agriculture or farming, so accept that I don't necessary understand all the processes. 

As any culture, sometimes you have to "refresh" (?) the soil or the trees as it gets tired and exhausted.  So it was decided to cut down all the orange trees that were in bad shape, and did not gave enough fruit anymore. And they would use the opportunity to partly replace the orange culture by "dragon fruit" as it pays much more. On top for the dragon fruit you can "cheat" the growth by having lights installed above them  (not sure it is the light or the heat that does the trick ?)

Dragon fruit :

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Anyway, before :

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"Clean up" in progress :

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Now before you ask, yes, why they don't tear out the remaining of the tree and the roots ?  Seems they plan to use it as support for the dragon fruit plants.

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Meanwhile the frog and the Miss still in Bali for a few more days. Exploring the different supermarkets, wholesale stores (Lotte Mart) and DIY (ACE) for anything that could be useful for the Bali house installation.

Continuing our exploration of the area (Thank you Google map !).  Found a nice bakery as well, about 1500m from the house.

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Lovely french and German bread as well !

Cheers !

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Update December 2017

 

First the gardening / farming aspect :

The fruit revolution (remember orange trees replaced by  dragon fruit)

The original orange trees are completely removed, roots included, and new "support" for the future dragon fruit plant are installed.\

The old trees / roots, nothing is lost, to be used for cooking !

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Inspection by the boss !

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The dragon fruit plants are partially taken from existing fields, or bought and are then planted, attached to the "supports"

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Chili plant will be planted besides the dragon tree, to give another bit of income. 

Chili plants all bought from a local supplier (can't remember the qty or price..)

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Nice little "ECO" truck 

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 fertilizer was used, but heavy rain falls has not really helped.

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Here is how it looks 2 days ago....

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I am defo not an expert, and don't get involved at all. Enough with the 3 or 4 family experts involved. 

Let's see how this all works out.  

I noted that in Bali those fruits are going at rather expensive prices, will try to see if she could export from East Java to there directly instead of going through the traditional chain of middle men...

But again, knowing the local "habits" trying to cut out the middle men may not be the best idea.  But worth to be looked at. 

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And a bit on the retirement visa process.

December 2017

Made a quick summary of my expenses for the retirement visa, 1st year.

Conditions and method were mentioned in one of the previous posts, I think no need to list them again.  

Why an agent ?  Because for any long term visa in Indonesia a "sponsor" is required. 

In case of working visa this will be your employer, in case of marriage visa it can be your wife (depending of her filling all the requirements..), in case of "social 6 month visit visa" you need find one, but in case of retirement visa only an officially approved agency can be your sponsor !  Hence it is a gold mine for them, and they will say that it is expensive because they engage their legal responsibility if you do something wrong...

Not really cheap !  Still need to do some further checking about the yearly renewal, as I have some contradictory information on that. It seems that it is the same process and same price as the first one (except for the VOA visa and the SGP trip) !   After 4 renewal you can apply for a 5 year visa, cost seems to be 5 x the annual one, so not sure arriving at a certain age it is really the good choice....   But all this is for later.

Numbers :

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The local taxi, it had taken about 4 or 5 from my place to the agency and / or immigration because of the extension of the VOA visa. Renewal should be 1 trip agency to deposit the file, one to immigration for picture and fingerprint, one to agency to retrieve the completed thing.

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OK, a bit about a "tourist trip" done in January when my daughter was on visit.

Typically the kind of stuff I sont like, but good for her to learn a bit about Bali.

 

Target of the visit was Pura Besakih, it is the most important temple for Balinese Hindu, located right at the foot of Mont Agung, the now famous volcano.

Unfortunately, as in many Asian countries they can't stop themselves of trying to rip people of BIG time, and it shows BIG time in the Tripadvisor and other reviews.    My driver warned me, gave me a few tips, and this old frog being not a newbie, and doesn't have much feelings for locals that try to rip me off, it went all well for the little Miss and me.  Nevertheless, if my daughter hadn't been there I would have from the first minute told them to F.O. and left. 

Anyway, entrance for locals 40,000 IDR (100 B) for local, 60,000 IDR for tourist .  Clearly indicated on the ticket boot.  But it is after you buy that ticket that the shit starts.  A dozen of so "official tourist guides" are sitting there and one will approach you, explaining that you are obliged to take a guide etc....

Me : "OK, how much ?"   Him : 50 USD.... Me : "I live in Bali, I have only Rupee..."   Ok, obviously he saw his dream gone... "OK, in roupie  300,000 (700 Thb) "

Me : "No, two choices, you take 50,000 or i go alone" ... He gave it another try at 100,000 but seeing that I was already starting to walk towards the temple, he gave in.

Next step is "Need take motorbike because it is far away..."  Well, I could see that it was about 500 / 700 m away, so not a problem, and scenting another discussion coming I answered "My daughter had a motorbike accident, and now she is too scared, sorry we walk !"  Ok, that did it, but my mood already half gone.

We walk up, our 50K guide hopping on his bike to wait for us at the entrance.  Over there takes our ticket, shows it to another guide and "hands us over".  I simply make clear again in front of the 2 that it is 50k and basta, they seem OK, and off we go with guide #2.  #1 is obliviously the "catcher" and goes back down the hill to wait for another prey.

Needless to say that the temple grounds are full of temple merchants, but they did not bothered us much.

So, buyer beware for this visit.  A real pity because it is beautiful and very interesting.  

A few links :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pura_Besakih

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g608484-d506291-Reviews-Besakih_Temple-Karangasem_Bali.html

https://www.tripsavvy.com/visiting-pura-besakih-holiest-temple-in-bali-1629099  

(plenty errors in fees on that last one....)

A little map , that may be interesting as it shows the different tourist thing to visit in Bali .  We live in Sanur, in the S.E. near Denpasar. Temple is up North / East, located right under Mount Agung, the volcano that caused some trouble recently.

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Sorry for the quality of the pics, the weather rather bad, and some were taken with my phone, not a good idea...

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Pictures displayed of their various ceremonies. If my memory is good there is a yearly one, a bigger every 3 year, and a major every 10 year.

 

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The temple is made of lava rock, cut in the lava flows of the past.  Strangely, it seems they are just piled up, without cement or bonding. (I have a similar build decoration wall in bricks on my terrace in Sanur..)

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The very ancient part of the temple is made of a different stone, and (according to our guide) bond by clay.

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At the end of the visit I gave the guide the 50,000 as "promised" but he was not overly happy or jumping from joy....  They are stupid, because he was good, and had the whole lot of them not tried to pull their B.S. on me he would have got 100,000 without problem.

In global is it a nice place to visit, but visibly in the hands of the local mafia.. our driver told me he can not accompagny us, and please dont speak about the tips and info he gave us, he could be in trouble,

What confirms this is that the temple is INSIDE the 6km exclusion zone, although at the limit, and you pass the "Interdiction Zone" sign to get there, but it is open.... 

BTW : It had a 2 min heavy smoke eruption the day after we went.....   Shit I missed some pictures !

Conclusion : I will not go again, and will warn any potential visitor of what is going on.  

Picture of the parking lot, and the (numerous) tourist shops around it.  The place is dead now because of the volcano scare, but as far I am concerned it can stay so.  I am not a very religious man, but trying to pull some scams in one of their OWN most holly places is absolutely disgusting.

 

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As mentioned, had my daughter here from 5th to 12th Jan, done some touristic stuff, more of that later..   After she left the old frog hopped back to the jungle, the Miss having preceded me by a few days.

Have enough of the 7 h car trips, so by plane this time.  Denpasar to Banyuwangi should be a 45 min flight BUT there is no direct flight....  So you need to fly to Surabaya first and then head back south east to Banyuwangi (airport name Blimbingsari), near the tip of Bali, and from there it is one hour by car.   About a 4 to 5 h trip, but way more confortable than by car.

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OK, first a few random pics of statues in Denpasar.  As I said they love those big things and you will find them everywhere, each with some connection to history of course.

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Even in the airport.  Bali airport has just been renovated (the IMF meeting is taking place in Oct 2018)  and is very nice, a bit a medium size provincial city airport.

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A few pics in the airport .  

Noted something very smart in the underground parking. Each parking lot has a light above it, green and red, allowing you to see from a distance where are the available spots.  Basic but very helpful !  Note the red lights in the front of the picture and the green ones on the far left.

 

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And of course plenty of the Balinese culture stuff....

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Kites are a big thing here, there are a lot of competitions and games on the beach, even in the jungle as soon there is some wind, they come out.  To bad they thought it was a nice idea to make them a bit noisy...

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And one for our biker members....

 

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5 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

@Krapow, @roomark, @AJSP,

Thanks for your comments.

TBH, I had a little run in with a mod who then put me on holiday, so as a true independent and free speech loving French, I a now on strike.

Merci beaucoup.

Enjoy your holiday, Airspace Strike is over now return to duty and keep posting. 

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37 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

@Krapow, @roomark, @AJSP,

Thanks for your comments.

TBH, I had a little run in with a mod who then put me on holiday, so as a true independent and free speech loving French, I a now on strike.

Merci beaucoup.

You, having a run in with a Mod, I find that hard to believe 🤣

Macron's breaking the strike!

Back to work Frenchie, allez allez allez ...

 

 

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Thai Spice,

there is no freedom of speech on any forum.

This is mostly, yes than no ,clearly written in the rules.

Arbitrary is also frequent,

it can be based on different reasons,

the nationality is sometimes a cause ( if the gross of the members/moderators/owner  is from one specific nationality ).

After a " Holiday" the poster can continue to post or not,

his personal decision.

 

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Your posts have been a pleasure to read. I personally would enjoy seeing the rest of this series. This is, of course, your choice.

 

I’ve been living in Thailand but plan to explore more of SEA soon, since who knows how long any of us have.

 

Regardless, Thank you. 

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