Butch Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 6 hours ago, coxyhog said: The first F-104 Starfighters had a downward firing ejection seat.Not a great idea as a lot of emergencies requiring ejection are on take off & landing.Eventually they saw the light & fitted conventional seats. Probably not an ideal situation if one fired while on the tarmac... They were terrible Aircraft apparently, the Germans managed to lose 116 pilots in them!. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Butch said: Probably not an ideal situation if one fired while on the tarmac... They were terrible Aircraft apparently, the Germans managed to lose 116 pilots in them!. I never worked on them but the hatch underneath was good for us mechs for retrieving bits that were dropped in the cockpit.I once spent most of a day looking for a 1/4" nut that I dropped in a Phantom cockpit,mostly using a boroscope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forqalso Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, coxyhog said: Yep that's a different angle,probably only take off their shoulders on egress. By ejection seats I meant that by the time of the C-17 ejections seats were much advanced from the Victor so that if they could clear the T tail of forty years ago then they would have absolutely no trouble in doing so on the C-17. No, it was never considered because of the tail, if they had decided to modify the flight deck they would have ensured the people ejecting would clear. Why are you even saying they would hit their shoulders when you know the plane wasn’t modified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lirchenfeld Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Butch said: the Germans managed to lose 116 pilots in them!. Amongst them Joachim von Hassel, who was son of the former minister president for Schleswig-Holstein and former German minister of defence. I believe the canadians also lost a some pilots. Denmark lost 5 pilots. The planes became a joke. German joke: What is the easiest way to get an Starfighter? Buy a piece of land and wait Danish joke: What is an optimist? A Starfighter pilot who quits smoking, because he scared of lung cancer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, forqalso said: No, it was never considered because of the tail, if they had decided to modify the flight deck they would have ensured the people ejecting would clear. Why are you even saying they would hit their shoulders when you know the plane wasn’t modified? It was never considered because it is a transport aircraft....no transport aircraft that I know of has ejection seats. Maybe you know of some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forqalso Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, coxyhog said: It was never considered because it is a transport aircraft....no transport aircraft that I know of has ejection seats. Maybe you know of some? We’ve been talking about T-1, the first C-17, that was the only C-17 built with the escape chute out the bottom of the aircraft. It was a test aircraft. They opted for the escape chute over ejection seats because of the horizontal and vertical stabilizer. Since it was a test aircraft it had a lot equipment unseen on the rest of the planes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, forqalso said: We’ve been talking about T-1, the first C-17, that was the only C-17 built with the escape chute out the bottom of the aircraft. It was a test aircraft. They opted for the escape chute over ejection seats because of the horizontal and vertical stabilizer. Since it was a test aircraft it had a lot equipment unseen on the rest of the planes. OK I'll take your word for it but the stabs have never been an obstacle over ejection seats before(& every aircraft has a vertical stab,some have high or low horizontal) or since and the hard roof(which is part of the pressure hull) of the flight deck certainly prohibits ejection seats on the aircraft in the picture. Edited November 27, 2021 by coxyhog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forqalso Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, coxyhog said: OK I'll take your word for it but the stabs have never been an obstacle over ejection seats before(& every aircraft has a vertical stab,some have high or low horizontal) or since and the hard roof(which is part of the pressure hull) of the flight deck certainly prohibits ejection seats on the aircraft in the picture. Wouldn’t the hole for the escape chute through the bottom of the aircraft be subject to the same pressurization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyhog Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, forqalso said: Wouldn’t the hole for the escape chute through the bottom of the aircraft be subject to the same pressurization? Yes & it would have to be a pressure door,the same as every other door in the aircraft,very difficult to put the same thing above the pilots heads.By the way what parts of the aircraft did your friend design?.... Edited November 27, 2021 by coxyhog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forqalso Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, coxyhog said: Yes & it would have to be a pressure door,the same as every other door in the aircraft,very difficult to put the same thing above the pilots heads.By the way what parts of the aircraft did your friend design?.... What friend? I’ve been talking about the engineer that told me why McDonnell Douglas opted for the escape chute, what part did you design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) Northern Harrier https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Northern_Harrier/overview Edited November 28, 2021 by lazarus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maipenrai Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 hours ago, lazarus said: northern harrier scoping out breakfast You've certainly got a variety of birds of prey in that area - all I see in my neighbourhood is mostly bald eagles, but that's because our city dump is only about 2km away as the raven flies, lol - they put up an electric fence years ago to keep out the bears but they can't stop the birds... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunDon Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The perils of skinny dipping when you have nosey neighbours. 🤣 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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